Thoughts, Reflections, And Recaps: UFC 143
UFC 143 went down last night and delivered some great fights, although it may not have been what you expected. Here are the results from the UFC's annual Super Bowl weekend show!
Main Card
Carlos Condit def. Nick Diaz via unanimous decision
Fabricio Werdum def. Roy Nelson via unanimous decision
Josh Koscheck def. Mike Pierce via split decision
Renan Barao def. Scott Jorgensen via unanimous decision
Ed Herman def. Clifford Starks via rear-naked choke
Undercard
Dustin Poirier def. Max Holloway via submission (triangle/armbar)
Edwin Figueroa def. Alex Caceres via split decision
Matt Brown def. Chris Cope via second-round TKO
Matt Riddle def. Henry Martinez via split decision
Rafael Natal def. Michael Kuiper via unanimous decision
Stephen Thompson def. Dan Stittgen via first-round KO
After the jump, check out some thoughts and recaps of the UFC 143 card!
Undercard
Stephen Thompson vs. Dan Stittgen
-Thompson took Stittgen out with a lead-leg head kick late in the first round. Thompson faked the leg kick and went high, similar to the question mark kick that Brazilian karateka Francisco Filho popularized in K-1 competition.
-Thompson looks like a very promising prospect with his unique Kenpo karate stylings. He spent most of the round with his hands down and attacking with his lead leg, as well as switching stances pretty frequently. I'd like to see Thompson fight a few more mediocre lightweights before taking on a guy who can outgrapple him, despite his BJJ training with brother-in-law and grappling wiz Carlos Machado and Japanese jiujitsu.
-Stittgen was brought in to lose. I doubt the UFC is really high on the Midwestern regional talents that they usually bring in, so why not put them up against prospects? Stittgen might get one more shot, but this fight was clearly a showcase for Thompson.
Rafael Natal vs. Michael Kuiper
-Excellent fight for Natal initially. Really, I thought Natal's experience would be the deciding factor as Kuiper's skill doesn't cover up his lack of strength of schedule. Natal turned in a performance that showed some grit and poise with him being in trouble in the third.
-That said, props to Kuiper for demonstrating a solid skillset. He showed that he has some of the skill in kickboxing that the Dutch are known for. If he properly demonstrates that along with his solid judo and BJJ skills, Kuiper might be an undercard mainstay.
-Solid fight full of drama and technique. Too bad it was on Facebook, so you probably had ten people watching.
Matt Riddle vs. Henry Martinez
-One of the many controversial decisions during this card. Matt Riddle loves his decisions, regardless which end he is on. I like Riddle and he seems like a nice enough guy who is trying to put on a show for the fans, but fans will quickly turn on him due to the Leonard Garcia "effect" with these decisions. Doesn't matter if it his fault or not. They just will.
-Riddle demonstrated toughness and heart, like always. He also is slowly improving his standup so it looks less and less like a middle-aged woman doing Taebo. Martinez has some solid hands and a good skillset to build on.
-Really, Riddle is going to stay a prelims staple. Not much else to say. Martinez could be a solid prospect at lightweight.
-I am not surprised at all.
Edwin Figueroa vs. Alex Caceres
-Our second controversial decision of the night. Caceres lost due to a two point deduction for his second accidental kick to the groin, albeit the blows were very hard. I thought Caceres had the decision personally, even with the two-point deduction (10-9 Caceres in the first, 9-8 Figueroa in the second, 10-9 Caceres in the third). I picked him, but I still don't believe Figueroa had anything for him aside from that initial head kick.
-Herb Dean was on some sort of bad roll last night. I understand the point deduction there, but I have never witnessed a two-point deduction myself. The blows were pretty brutal but I don't believe they warranted a two-point deduction.
-I am pretty impressed by the bantamweight Bruce Leroy. He shows something new every fight. I liked his patience in this fight and his use of his reach. However, he needs to learn to actually complete his submissions instead of the idle attacks from his back. Nonetheless, I think he is fun to watch and improves and matures with each fight.
-Edwin Figueroa is good for a war and is always game standing. His ground game really needs a ton of work. If Bruce Leroy is destroying you on the ground, imagine what killer grapplers like Jeff Curran or Miguel Torres would do to him. Give him some fun fights with a brawler and give the fans a good show.
Dustin Poirier vs. Max Holloway
-Poirier put on a really impressive performance as expected. His mounted triangle/armbar was a thing of beauty. I truly can't say I expected anything less.
-Poirier probably won't be a guy that challenges Aldo. He is solid all-around, but doesn't posses a spectacular quality that would be detrimental to Aldo's championship run. However, he is one fight away from having that title shot and rightfully so.
-Holloway has some upside. His standup looks sound and he has some creative strikes that seem like they'd pack some power. Time is on his side and he can build around his proficient striking base.
-The first fight on our main card and I still don't know why I had to pay for this. Truthfully, it was a good fight where both guys were willing to exchange and eat a few to land one.
-Ed Herman is fun to watch. His judo-inspired trip to take Starks down in the second was beautiful. Herman should be pushing top 25 status with three-fight win streak. He could present some problems to a few guys and could work his way up to a high-level gatekeeper with his decent power and excellent ground game.
-Back to the undercard for Starks. He has a nice straight right that he was landing at will on Herman. If he works on his submission grappling and becomes a good wrestleboxer like his former collegiate teammate Cain Velasquez, we could have a new force at middleweight. This will take a lot of time and work, but Starks could put up a respectable effort against many at middleweight. Hey, Alessio Sakara still has a job! Why not?
Renan Barao vs. Scott Jorgensen
-Not really the groundbreaking battle of high-level wrestling vs. execellent Brazilian jiujitsu that I expected. Credit to Barao for controlling Jorgensen's takedowns.
-Barao vs. Dominick Cruz or Urijah Faber will be an intriguing matchup. Whether or not he takes another bout will also be interesting. He has some holes in his game that could be exploited by a guy like Cruz, but he also holds some advantages over him as well.
-Cardio, Mr. Barao. You'll need that to compete with a guy like Faber or Cruz. Also, striking defense left a little to be desired against a guy like Scotty who has a simplistic boxing game that is predicated off of power and not much else.
-What can Jorgensen do now? Maybe a move to flyweight? Barao looked bigger to me and had no trouble shucking Scotty's takedowns off. If he moves to flyweight, he could definitely be a contender. I think he doesn't have much chance at bantamweight.
Fabricio Werdum vs. Roy Nelson
-Roy Nelson's chin is unbelievable. This guy is incredibly tough. However, this is the end of any talk about him being a contender. He'll be stuck at the Cheick Kongo level of gatekeeper, which suits him.
-Also, Nelson can't make the move to light heavyweight. Physically, yes, sure. But making the move from the shallow pools of heavyweight to a shark tank like light heavyweight is scary. Does anyone want to see him fight Lyoto Machida or Phil Davis? It would get ugly.
-With all this talk about Nelson's toughness, Werdum laid an UGLY whipping on Nelson. His Muay Thai has become damn good. Had this been a lesser man, this fight would have been over pretty early. I'm not confident that he'll move from the spot that he is currently in rankings wise, but he has cemented his top 5 rating.
-Nelson had no business jumping into Werdum's guard and Werdum showed that. I was impressed that Roy survived...but he was hedging his bets.
-One last thing of note here. Credit to Medium Country here for slimming down. Maybe 225 or 230 is the optimum weight for you without being way too small.
-I scored the fight 48-47 for Diaz. I had the first. second, and fifth going to Diaz. Scoring a fight simply on strikes landed is pretty weak. All the other criteria need to be accounted for and judging is totally subjective. That is one of the most simultaneously beautiful and ugly things about the sport. However, it isn't a robbery that Condit won.
-Condit's gameplan was brilliant. I thought that Diaz would get into his head and it seemed like he did for 5 seconds at a time on the rarest occasion. But Condit's patience and sharp technique need to be commended.
-This fight wasn't boring in the least. It was definitely far from what I expected to happen and the names in the fight bolstered the fight's excitement throughout. Had this been a matchup between gatekeeper lightweights opening the card, I'm sure everyone would be complaining majorly. But it was Diaz and Condit and it was one of those classic performances where the gameplan and what is happening because of it is simply amazing, not unlike Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen I.
-I hope Nick Diaz will be back and I'm pretty confident he will. Pretty smart powerplay for more money if that is what he was working for, but it worries me a little. He seems less and less into the sport with each fight. I don't know if he just wants to do endurance sports, boxing, or what. We'll never know what Nick Diaz wants until that impulsive decision comes about.
-Condit vs. Georges St. Pierre will not do half the business that Diaz vs. GSP would have. Still, it is an intriguing fight. Will Condit be able to end GSP's night with a power shot? Doubtful. I see a GSP decision or submission in the works. But Condit has a ton of heart and last night proved that.
Overall, this night gave us a lot of unexpected excitement and a fight for the ages, but not necessarily the fight we expected. It will be interesting to see what scenarios play out and which don't in the coming months.
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Ed Herman could wipe out the entire MW division, move up to LHW and still not break 300,000 ppv buys.
God help me, I lusted, and there is a promise in such sweat. But it is a whore's vengeance, and you must see it; I set myself entirely in your hands. I know you must see it now.
300,000 might be generous.
But really, it sucks because he is fun to watch. Just not marketable.
We are Ruining Your Special Night, motherfuckers!
by mountaineers101 on Feb 6, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Brian Scalabrine is the only ginger I know with soul.
God help me, I lusted, and there is a promise in such sweat. But it is a whore's vengeance, and you must see it; I set myself entirely in your hands. I know you must see it now.
Lies
they have no soul.
Midge is their high king, and I would be wary of his ging power.
Learn JiuJitsu.
Semper Fi'
Nicely written post Mr. mountaineer man
You’re points were kept short, to the point, and pretty much true.
I’m pretty much done talkin about the main event, and with that said; this just in from Rogan’s twitter:
I just read that @danawhite said it’s possible for a Diaz Condit rematch before GSP returns! #FUCKYEAH
"Go get yuu some DONNALD CERRONNEEE" ,greg Jackson (not refering to more fans)
I appreciate it. And I’d be down for a rematch if both men agree. Maybe we’ll get a more definitive decision.
We are Ruining Your Special Night, motherfuckers!
by mountaineers101 on Feb 6, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think that’s what going to end up happening. It was honestly so close, it wasnt a Shogun-Machida 1 robbery, but it was definitely closer than the CruzFaber2 match and that match is getting a rematch. Plus, if Condit wins more decisively than his fight with GSP will only mean more, and we all know the ramifications if Diaz wins the rematch. I mean seriously are you going to risk Condit fighting, Diego/Ellenberger in summer or even worse in my opinion not fighting at all.
God help me, I lusted, and there is a promise in such sweat. But it is a whore's vengeance, and you must see it; I set myself entirely in your hands. I know you must see it now.
Good take on that situation
I think the hard part will be getting Condit’s camp to agree, seeing as how they like to play things safe when the stakes are high. Diaz would take that fight; he’s too much of a fighter not to,especially if he does have another fight on his contract
Best advice I never heeded: Don't read the bottom of the internet.
by Harley hooper on Feb 6, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
wet...pants...
Do me a favor; let me know when you’re getting up to go to the bathroom so I can sniff your chair.
by The Midge on Feb 6, 2012 8:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dana says
“I know (Georges. St. Pierre) wanted that Diaz fight bad, but it’s not going to be Diaz so he better get angry with Carlos Condit or focus on Carlos Condit or whatever he needs to do. Carlos Condit won this fight. No matter how much Georges and Nick hate each other, Carlos Condit won, and I think the fans are mad at the way Carlos Condit fought. Too f*cking bad. He came in with a game plan and stuck to it and won. You know what’s funny man, is that when he said that, I was thinking the same thing. It’s crazy, but. I was thinking it after the fight. You know, people are bitching and thinking it was close or whatever, we can do that fight again before GSP comes back. It depends on Carlos too, he’s really gotta say, and Nick’s gotta say I want to fight him again too.”
"Go get yuu some DONNALD CERRONNEEE" ,greg Jackson (not refering to more fans)
Yeah, Dia`z won imo
One thing I realized is that Jackson was trying to get Cerrone to fight Nate like Condit fought Nick. Cowboy’s gigantic balls wouldn’t allow him to fight that way, b/c he knows it isn’t right
Best advice I never heeded: Don't read the bottom of the internet.
by Harley hooper on Feb 6, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
no way gsp subs condit
That’s crazy talk man. Just look at their submission victories throughout their career. Then look at Condit’s solid form vs. GSP’s loose can’t even sub Dan Hardy ass. Only way gsp could subcondit is if he landed a knock down with authority beforehand.
Condit has the bjj by far.
Condit has the stand up technically
Condit has the stand up via power
GSP has…or had…the wrestling. We wwill see if he still has the power shot after surgery. Who knows
Do me a favor; let me know when you’re getting up to go to the bathroom so I can sniff your chair.
by The Midge on Feb 6, 2012 8:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree theres no way Condit’s getting submitted these days. Look at all his fights up too Jake Shields, they all finished in the 1st round. Condit even said it himself that his cardio was terrible when his career just started. No shame in getting tapped out by Kitaoka that early and Im willing to bet that after his stint in Rumble on the Rock he realized he had to get his cardio together. No problems now,
GSP’s best way to victory is what he does best nowadays, strikes to takedowns to dominant ground control for 5 rounds.
God help me, I lusted, and there is a promise in such sweat. But it is a whore's vengeance, and you must see it; I set myself entirely in your hands. I know you must see it now.
Nick won the fight rds.1,2 and 5
rematch just like BJ and Shogun got after they had controversial decs. against Frankie and Machida. Book it Dana
everything is an act......... T.N.Crew Bronx 13 1/2 12 juror's ,1 judge = 1/2 a chance
by biggant on Feb 7, 2012 12:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions

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