How Does It Work? Jon Jones and the MMA Fanbase
When you think of polarized figures in the sport of mixed martial arts, you think of people who act a certain way to get their name out there. Guys like Chael Sonnen and Josh Barnett cut promos reminiscent of "Rowdy" Roddy Piper and Ric Flair to keep the presses filled with their names. It also didn't hurt that these two have been accused of juicing like a prime Ken Shamrock either. You have fighters like Nick Diaz and Michael Bisping, who aren't always the bad guys, but they sure like channeling some of their anger to create a hotheaded persona that alienates some fans.
For others, it works to their advantage. Jason "Mayhem" Miller isn't necessarily a fighter with some of the skills to push him to the elite level of the sport that could garner you a title shot. He has gained a decent following by playing up his natural charisma and eccentrics to appeal to a wide variety of folks. Didn't turn out to bad, huh? Tom Lawlor has made a place for himself in some hearts and minds with his elaborate weigh-in and pre-fight entrances, along with outside the cage antics with Seth Petruzelli.
One figure who doesn't seem to be doing anything to draw eyes to himself outside of his fights in Jon Jones. Sure, he has had some storied rivalries and spats with a few, but these weren't manufactured tiffs. Most would say that "Bones" has done nothing but speak his mind. His mind and personality, however, seem to rub some followers of the sport the wrong way without the polishing of mic skills or shtick to put fans in seats.
Several factors can be attributed to this unexpected heel turn in the eyes of the MMA faithful. We'll take a look at these factors after the jump.
Race: This topic is so often debated for fighters from a multitude of races. Cain Velasquez was pegged as the "first Mexican heavyweight champion in UFC history." Apparently Ricco Rodriguez had never won the title? Maurice Smith's title reign has been completely ignored by Zuffa, leaving it to a footnote in their history. Racism is still a hot issue and MMA isn't totally free from the horrors of it. When you look at Jones, he is a sharp, articulate, and cerebral fighter. He is noted for his constant research of his opponent, typically procuring most of their fights and watching them night in and night out during training camps.
Sadly, there are some people who still think that an African-American who can spout precise analysis and personable interviews is "uppity." To compare, Rashad Evans, often pegged as Jones' arch nemesis in the sport, is impeccably fashionable, amiable, and provides deep insight into the training process and fight breakdowns the sport needs. His keen awareness for the fight game so often lands him as a host on MMA Live, where he often shines in a revolving door of fighters in that panel. Rashad is often booed and jeered, one of the most disliked fighters in the sport. This could stem from his stint on season two of The Ultimate Fighter, his knockout of Chuck Liddell, defeat of Forrest Griffin, and a brash, honest personality which has lead him to be labeled as cocky.
However, on the flipside, you get the comedic Rampage Jackson. A fighter who is just as cocky and honest as his LHW counterparts and former opponents, Rampage is loved and adored by fans across the globe. However, dangerous run-ins with the law, blatant sexual harassment of female reporters, and homophobic rants have not deterred an amazing amount of fans to love and admire Rampage. Because of his legacy, does Rampage get this pass? Or does Rampage's comedic attitude negate all bad deeds and get him accepted by any fans of any kind?
In all of this, Jones seems to get the short end of the stick. His attitude has lead Rashad to call him "a fake ass white boy" and caused for some of his black high school friends to call him "gay" because of his wrestling background. Rashad has been known to sling racial epithets against fighters, such as calling Rampage "an uncle tom." Regardless, the issue of Jones "not fitting" his race in accusations of colleagues and some glaring commentary by some ignorant MMA fans has made this a hot topic.
Religion: The topic is religion in mixed martial arts is often ridiculed. Ben Henderson cannot get an amen and Matt Hughes and Rich Franklin's by the holy book attitudes have soured on fans. The holier than thou attitude that comes with open religious expression has been slapped on Jones, and justifiably so in some cases. His admission that he would snitch on kids smoking pot in high school has left a stigma on the Jones persona.
This issue is pretty trivial to some, but others abhor the fact that a fighter or an athlete in general expresses their joy of winning through prayer. Certainly, it is very strange to think that a religious figure would help aid in the winning of a competition, but if one chooses to believe that, why not? It is their victory to express and thanking a god or holy figure is made out to be a hugely debated issue.
On the other side, people come to watch fights, not Joel Osteen sermons. Is it so much to ask to make MMA just about fighting?
Lack of Skill: The argument is made so often that Jones would be a mediocre fighter if he wasn't as lanky and big as he is. This is perhaps the most weak reason for the Jones hate, but it is still there. The fact that Jones has used his head to tailor his body to his style is a skill in itself. Also, Greco-Roman throws do not teach themselves. Jones' skillset is clearly still something in progress, but to deny the abundance of tools he has honed is baffling.
With the ability to mix up his Youtube striking and Greco throws and trips, Jones has since complemented this with a strong array of crisp kicking and punching techniques, along with the ability to incorporate double-leg and single-leg takedowns into his game. Clearly, he is still flawed in some areas. He hasn't yet sat down on his punches with proper boxing technique and his muay thai doesn't have the crack of an Thiago Alves or an Edson Barboza, but to deny the skill of Jones is ludicrous.
Granted, Jones is incredibly gifted with athletic genes, as referenced by his two high-level football playing brothers. Do all of these gifts in height and reach really tell the tale of Jones' success? Or do the lanky limbs and height cause disadvantages in some cases and is Jones tailoring these to his game an admirable skill?
Persona and etc.: Here is where we run into some of the reasons one could justifiable hate Jones. He does have a bit of a primadonna attitude when it comes to signing replica belts. He also was signing pictures and posters previous to the Shogun fight with a "future champion, 2011" tag. Granted, the first issue is a little catty and eccentric, but David Lee Roth didn't want brown M&Ms and he still sold out stadiums. The second issue is simply a visualization technique.
But, wouldn't it make you mad if your little kid was turned away for buying a belt that his favorite fighter had because "he didn't earn it?" Is it disrespectful to think that a victory is set in stone? Many could argue that these things come along with being an inherently great athlete, while others think that it is a case of inflated bravado that needs to be squashed.
Overall, Jon Jones has done nothing but be himself. Whether your canvas has the painting of a bragging, self-righteous kid or an honest, truthful freak of an athlete, it cannot be argued that Jones is an impeccable man to watch in that cage and that many will tune in to see him fight, win or lose.
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the big difference between bisping and diaz
bisping talks trash and when you beat him he takes everything back. or when he has a shitty performace. no one put up the gif of the head kick he threw while jason was still on his knees. yeah the dude is a class act.
diaz on the other hand doesn’t take back anything he spouts out his mouth no matter how dumb it is. he is not playing the part of the “heel”. he is being himself. fights fair except for the time he got pinched for smoking the green. which cannot help you at all in a fight. it would actually only hurt you.
jones is very cocky. he hits you with alot of sideways comments. he was doing pretty good until he started that fued with evans. that was when we saw what he really is. now this is a bad combo right here cockyness x religion x winning= hate for jon jones. now take the same aspect and talk about ben henderson. humble x religion x winning = love for the guy.
also jon jones is a bit of a dirty fighter. especially when he has a guy on the ground he sneaks alot of dirty tactics in there.
But, flipside, Evans handled it like he was some sort of golden goose and you couldn’t mess with him. Just because Jones was willing to fight him doesn’t make him bad. Also, depends. I consider dirty anything to be against the rules. Is Jones chin striking a dude’s chest dirty? I don’t think so. But you do. So many views on this is what makes it interesting. Your take is definitely valid though.
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by mountaineers101 on Dec 6, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think maybe he’s referring more to the whole “12-6 elbows”, or the thing where he kicked the dude who was basically done. I mean, different people feel differently about whether those are “dirty” or not, but I guess enough people do to make it an issue.
12-6 elbows is a pretty damn stupid rule. And was “basically” down (I think you mean down, anyway. If you mean done, you’re supposed to fight until the ref stops it.) doesn’t mean he was completely down. And even so, I am sure that the one kick didn’t really effect anything. Also, I’m pretty sure the 12-6 elbows saved Matt Hamill a few broken bones. Ask Brandon Vera how those legal elbows hurt less.
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by mountaineers101 on Dec 7, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
I agree that the no 12-6 elbows rule is stupid.
I mean done, the ref looked like he was coming in, the guy was turtled, Jon was standing up, he just kind of threw it on the way out. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. Like you said, you fight until the ref pulls you off. I’m just saying that I think some people see these things and think “dirty fighting”, and that’s part of the Bones hate. Whether they think it’s dirty because they dislike Jones, or they dislike him because they think he’s dirty, Idk.
Yeah. All a matter of view, I guess.
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by mountaineers101 on Dec 7, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
the hamill dq reminds me of Fedor's first loss... It was God's will
I’m not a big fan of jbj but i think he will reign for a looong time.
Good comparison
One of those “uuh…what? Thats… not cool” moments.
The bottom line is Georges is being a little bitch. He didn’t step up and say anything when the UFC pulled me out of this fight. I understand sometimes you have to do what you’re told, but why wouldn’t you tell the media you still want to fight me? If I was Georges, I would want to fight the best. I would have asked for the Anderson Silva fight. I would have asked to fight the Strikeforce champ. But he sits there like a robot and doesn’t say anything at all, just like he’s not going to say anything about me calling him a bitch now. If I saw BJ Penn walking down the street and called him a bitch, we would be fighting right there on the spot. — Nick Diaz
Also, Diaz does kind of play the heel, but definitely to a lesser extent than Bisping. He does the mean mug and will slap the hell out of a dude, only to occasionally hug it out with them. BJ Penn almost got slapped and Shamrock got a verbal beating, but both got hugs and all that in the end.
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by mountaineers101 on Dec 6, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Weed doesnt help in a fight? I beg to differ...
Going off topic… My bad
by Drew Nikel on Dec 7, 2011 10:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nick Diaz, is that you?
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by mountaineers101 on Dec 7, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
no way man
Weed would NOT help in a fight. Your reflexes would be so slow. I’d get KO’d with the quickness fighting stoned.
Plus, shit still hurts when you are high! It’s not oxy’d out and numb. You’re stoned. Getting punched still hurts.
The bottom line is Georges is being a little bitch. He didn’t step up and say anything when the UFC pulled me out of this fight. I understand sometimes you have to do what you’re told, but why wouldn’t you tell the media you still want to fight me? If I was Georges, I would want to fight the best. I would have asked for the Anderson Silva fight. I would have asked to fight the Strikeforce champ. But he sits there like a robot and doesn’t say anything at all, just like he’s not going to say anything about me calling him a bitch now. If I saw BJ Penn walking down the street and called him a bitch, we would be fighting right there on the spot. — Nick Diaz
Why i dont like jon jones
He’s a nark.
The bottom line is Georges is being a little bitch. He didn’t step up and say anything when the UFC pulled me out of this fight. I understand sometimes you have to do what you’re told, but why wouldn’t you tell the media you still want to fight me? If I was Georges, I would want to fight the best. I would have asked for the Anderson Silva fight. I would have asked to fight the Strikeforce champ. But he sits there like a robot and doesn’t say anything at all, just like he’s not going to say anything about me calling him a bitch now. If I saw BJ Penn walking down the street and called him a bitch, we would be fighting right there on the spot. — Nick Diaz
by The Midge on Dec 7, 2011 2:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Fair.
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by mountaineers101 on Dec 7, 2011 2:22 AM EST up reply actions
amongst other things
But when it comes down to it, to the very foundation of why I will never listen to Jon Jones speak outside of Zuffa produced, on air promotion (when I’m backed into it) is because he embodies the kind of person that would call the police if he knew someone was smoking weed. I think the saying is “higher than thou”
I’m hoping, that in time, I can enjoy him again by not listening to him. I remember before his UFC debut I heard he had only fought for like 6 months and I watched all the fights of him I could find and was like “wow. powerhouse” then just loved his first few UFC bouts. Then being a fan I started reading/listening to him and before long I found myself sitting there watching hoping he lost and being disappointed when he won. I shouldn’t be disappointed. I should be stoked to see the crazy shit this kid is doing to world class fighters. It’s really quite amazing.
The bottom line is Georges is being a little bitch. He didn’t step up and say anything when the UFC pulled me out of this fight. I understand sometimes you have to do what you’re told, but why wouldn’t you tell the media you still want to fight me? If I was Georges, I would want to fight the best. I would have asked for the Anderson Silva fight. I would have asked to fight the Strikeforce champ. But he sits there like a robot and doesn’t say anything at all, just like he’s not going to say anything about me calling him a bitch now. If I saw BJ Penn walking down the street and called him a bitch, we would be fighting right there on the spot. — Nick Diaz
Short answer
It doesnt make sense
Dude absolutelt destroys people in the cage and thats all I really care about
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I agree with this way of thinking. Sometimes, yeah, I get swept up in promotion and all that. But if you aren’t doing excessively bad things, then you deserve a fair shake and shouldn’t be hated on constantly.
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by mountaineers101 on Dec 7, 2011 2:49 AM EST up reply actions
im trying to get there
The bottom line is Georges is being a little bitch. He didn’t step up and say anything when the UFC pulled me out of this fight. I understand sometimes you have to do what you’re told, but why wouldn’t you tell the media you still want to fight me? If I was Georges, I would want to fight the best. I would have asked for the Anderson Silva fight. I would have asked to fight the Strikeforce champ. But he sits there like a robot and doesn’t say anything at all, just like he’s not going to say anything about me calling him a bitch now. If I saw BJ Penn walking down the street and called him a bitch, we would be fighting right there on the spot. — Nick Diaz
Jon jones is like Umdomlickan Suh...
Suh was very humble and soft spoken in college and his rookie year, but something happened. now he’s very mean and angry.
Jones was really nice at first, too. Then Rashad started beefin. Some time During their lovers quarrells,jones really started to feel himself.
But hey… Suh and jones are both young whipper snappers. They are to find themselves.
by Drew Nikel on Dec 7, 2011 10:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, while I don’t agree with some of it, the young part is something that so many don’t understand.
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by mountaineers101 on Dec 7, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
being within a year of jones' age
i call BS on the age excuse
The bottom line is Georges is being a little bitch. He didn’t step up and say anything when the UFC pulled me out of this fight. I understand sometimes you have to do what you’re told, but why wouldn’t you tell the media you still want to fight me? If I was Georges, I would want to fight the best. I would have asked for the Anderson Silva fight. I would have asked to fight the Strikeforce champ. But he sits there like a robot and doesn’t say anything at all, just like he’s not going to say anything about me calling him a bitch now. If I saw BJ Penn walking down the street and called him a bitch, we would be fighting right there on the spot. — Nick Diaz
I think being thrust into a spotlight makes changes.
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by mountaineers101 on Dec 7, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Jones is an unworldly talent, but does he have to be so god damn pretentious?
by yellopanda on Dec 8, 2011 2:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly,
I love to watch Jones fight. Every time, no exceptions. But would I talk to him at a party? Hell no. In fact, I might even leave said party and just head to a dive bar somewhere.
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I don’t think he is terribly funny or anything like that. I do think that he has good character and a good heart…but that doesn’t make him fun to hang with.
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by mountaineers101 on Dec 7, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
i dont think he has good character at all
The bottom line is Georges is being a little bitch. He didn’t step up and say anything when the UFC pulled me out of this fight. I understand sometimes you have to do what you’re told, but why wouldn’t you tell the media you still want to fight me? If I was Georges, I would want to fight the best. I would have asked for the Anderson Silva fight. I would have asked to fight the Strikeforce champ. But he sits there like a robot and doesn’t say anything at all, just like he’s not going to say anything about me calling him a bitch now. If I saw BJ Penn walking down the street and called him a bitch, we would be fighting right there on the spot. — Nick Diaz
See, I think the opposite way.
If he came to a party I’d totally chill with him because he’d be the guy that would make an ass of himself dancing, not the meathead asshole that I’d expect a lot of fighters to be. He just brings a semblance of normality to fighters.
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Id leave the party
cuz he would be calling the cops when he smelled weed
The bottom line is Georges is being a little bitch. He didn’t step up and say anything when the UFC pulled me out of this fight. I understand sometimes you have to do what you’re told, but why wouldn’t you tell the media you still want to fight me? If I was Georges, I would want to fight the best. I would have asked for the Anderson Silva fight. I would have asked to fight the Strikeforce champ. But he sits there like a robot and doesn’t say anything at all, just like he’s not going to say anything about me calling him a bitch now. If I saw BJ Penn walking down the street and called him a bitch, we would be fighting right there on the spot. — Nick Diaz
Jones is one of my favourite fighters inside the cage
If not my favourite.
Outside of it, he comes across as arrogant and self-centred and he has a serious holier-than-thou thing going on. I think a big part of what has made me dislike him is the way he at first played up his humble approach only to embrace his arrogant side once he became successful.
Strangely enough, the moment I realised I probably wasn’t ever going to like him was his reaction seconds after beating Rua. We (I) look for fighters we can relate to, and when a 23yo dominates a champion only to stroll around the cage calmly immediately after finishing the fight …. well, I can’t wrap my head around how anyone could act that way. And it wasn’t even the unflappable Fedor look of being at total peace because it was obviously addressed at the crowd. In fact, it was more or less the exact opposite of Tito’s reaction after beating Bader. I’ve always hated Tito with a vengeance (and I like Bader) but man, seeing him that ecstatic after finally winning a fight was almost as exciting as the fight itself.
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by wonderfulspam on Dec 7, 2011 12:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think it is refreshing. I don’t find it to be arrogant or anything. Plus, some people act that way in times of big accomplishment. Just remove yourself and look at it from a detached view.
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by mountaineers101 on Dec 7, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I loved Tito's reaction
I love seeing that joy after a bout.
The bottom line is Georges is being a little bitch. He didn’t step up and say anything when the UFC pulled me out of this fight. I understand sometimes you have to do what you’re told, but why wouldn’t you tell the media you still want to fight me? If I was Georges, I would want to fight the best. I would have asked for the Anderson Silva fight. I would have asked to fight the Strikeforce champ. But he sits there like a robot and doesn’t say anything at all, just like he’s not going to say anything about me calling him a bitch now. If I saw BJ Penn walking down the street and called him a bitch, we would be fighting right there on the spot. — Nick Diaz
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It was SO WEIRD.
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This is such a crazy argument:
The argument is made so often that Jones would be a mediocre fighter if he wasn’t as lanky and big as he is.
The fact is that he is lanky and big. I’m not sure why him using that in his favor should be seen as a bad thing. The only thing that bothered me about Jones was the comment about fans coming up to him with replica belts to sign. It seemed petty and childish of him to be bothered by it. He’s putting the focus on the actual physical belt as proof of his being a champion which is kind of dumb.
I think that Dana White had it right when he said that now that Jones was the champ, he would have all kinds of people surrounding him who do not have his best interests at heart. I think some of the decisions he’s made lately may have been made with the advice of people who have a vision for his career and persona. Hopefully he’s just able to go back to being the pretty likable kid that he was before he won the belt soon, or I think he’ll do irreparable damage to his image.
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Extremely insightful..um.. insight!
A lanky frame is useless without the skills. Point being Stefan Struve. If he used his length like Semmy Schilt then his stand up would be good, but he doesnt and people hit him in the face til he falls down. But on the ground he uses that length amazingly cuz he is skilled there. He’s not skilled on the ground BECAUSE he is lanky. If he wasn’t skilled, the lengthy legs and arms would make others subbing him easier.
I dont think the frame makes a fighter good or bad, its how good or bad they are at using their frame. Sean Sherk’s little stubby short to the ground body was used great for getting super low shots and taking you down. That’s just being good and using his frame to its advantages. Jones’ length doesn’t make him great, his great use of his length is what makes him great.
The bottom line is Georges is being a little bitch. He didn’t step up and say anything when the UFC pulled me out of this fight. I understand sometimes you have to do what you’re told, but why wouldn’t you tell the media you still want to fight me? If I was Georges, I would want to fight the best. I would have asked for the Anderson Silva fight. I would have asked to fight the Strikeforce champ. But he sits there like a robot and doesn’t say anything at all, just like he’s not going to say anything about me calling him a bitch now. If I saw BJ Penn walking down the street and called him a bitch, we would be fighting right there on the spot. — Nick Diaz
Paul Williams is also an example of horrible usage of body in boxing.
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by mountaineers101 on Dec 7, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
I loved this, awesome job mountaineers.
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Dude, thanks. As much shit I’ve got for this, stuff like this makes it worth it. Thanks brother.
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by mountaineers101 on Dec 7, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Embrace the shit
Fore the shit will embrace you :-)
The bottom line is Georges is being a little bitch. He didn’t step up and say anything when the UFC pulled me out of this fight. I understand sometimes you have to do what you’re told, but why wouldn’t you tell the media you still want to fight me? If I was Georges, I would want to fight the best. I would have asked for the Anderson Silva fight. I would have asked to fight the Strikeforce champ. But he sits there like a robot and doesn’t say anything at all, just like he’s not going to say anything about me calling him a bitch now. If I saw BJ Penn walking down the street and called him a bitch, we would be fighting right there on the spot. — Nick Diaz
Yeah, no problem dude.
I have absolutely no problem embracing any work done by old BE brothers. So, in my time, that includes basically Cory Braitermen, sort of Tim Burke, and you. So even if I disagree, I’m gonna support you, because you showed a hell of a lot more initiative and confidence than I do. Keep writing, I’ll hopefully keep reading and commenting, because you’re doing a hell of a job.
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Not as much as Rampage. Rashad and JBJ hate is more talked about than their support.
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by mountaineers101 on Dec 7, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
very true... but I think much of JBJ's hate stems from the fact that he is most likely going to whoop your favorite fighter.
Especially if one of your favorite fighters is Rampage, Shogun, etc
I saw him beat up Rampage live… and one of the worst parts was seeing how excited and happy Chuck Liddell was… Chuck was absolutely ELATED…
Jon without a doubt is an amazing fighter. His dismantling of Matt Hamill was utter brilliance. I am in silent awe every time I watch him fight.
Yet, when he speaks, when he acts, everything he does outside of the cage is simply put “off”. Whether it be his religious attitude, what seemingly has been him ducking Rashad or his god given gifts. Jones gives off a vibe of dishonesty, fakeness and overall non likability.
I cannot pin point exactly what it is. For me, Jones is almost strangely impartial. You see how great he is and you don’t want him to lose, you want to see how far this greatness will go. You want to see him win and fight everyone. But at the same time you want him to lose cause you dont “like” him.
It puts people in a weird position between fight fan and personality fan. “I like the way he fights, but I hate his personality” is what I hear a lot. Normally, that would be fine, but Jones complete dominance of everyone he’s faced prevents that. Often times, if you dont like a fighter you tune in to see him lose. However, the masses don’t see a viable fighter who can challenge him, similar to Anderson Silva. Except Silva had these issues with guys like Patrick Cote and Thales Leites whereas Jones could not even sell out Rogers Arena against Machida a former champion.
Jones is everything, the everyday man is not.
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So i have transported myself from being an originally standup fan. I know and like some of the MMA (UFC) fighters, not all of them for sure :D so please tell me, because i m just getting to know Jon Bones Jones , what and why is he making people angry? I looked up some of his interviews but i didnt see anything at all. i dont know what should i watch according to what he is two faced or anything like that. So please help me in this?
He's a narc, and he's arrogant.
Super arrogant.
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